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06/04/17 4:30 AM

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There are 2 groups peddling CAGW hysteria:


But only one which uses the acronym CAGW

What are they calling it now, then? It's hard to keep up with the name changes.






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06/04/17 5:28 AM

Its been called "Climate Change" for a decade at least.  the term (and Global Warming) were coined in a 1975 paper by Wally Broecker  "Climatic Change: Are We on the Brink of a Pronounced Global Warming?"

Deniers like to play around with the name partly to mislead and partly to give themselves a get out if/when they are proved wrong.

"Global Warming" makes people think that the entire planet will warm uniformly so deniers can point to extreme cold events in a particular location and say "look, its freezing here how can there be Global Warming?" whereas in truth the planet warming will result in changed weather patterns which will causes some places to cool down - if you live in a place where the winds/weather patterns usually bring air up from somewhere warm and Climate Change causes the wind to turn around and bring air from somewhere cold  the changing climate will not mean warming for you  - the polar vortex comes to mind this caused parts of the US to experience much colder temperatures than usual - mean while areas of Alaska (where the vortex is normally situated) were very much warmer than usual.

The addition of the "C" (catastrophic) means that deniers can reject any warming/cooling/ climatic event however severe or marked if it doesnt have catastrophic consequences, in my experience only deniers use the acronymn "CAGW".

Deniers are also big on the anthropogenic aspect of Climate Change  there are many drivers of the climate, "VOLAJU" touched on one, planetary precession, in another thread. Most of these factors have periods of thousands (or tens of thousands) of years  others such as the solar cycle are much shorter - 11 years in the case of the solar cycle and about 6 years in the case of the El Ninho/La Nina ("ENSO") most if not all of these influences are known and at least somewhat understood (see "Milankovitch cycle") and it is fully accepted by everyone that the climate has warm periods and cool periods caused by wholly natural influences.
If a change is wholly natural so what, do we ignore it?  When a wholly natural bush fire decends on a Californian town does the fire department refuse to act because the fire is natural? 


Whether the change is natural or man made is irrelevent we need to act and do what ever we can to mitigate its effects - or suffer the consequences of our wilful  inactivity

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06/04/17 5:42 AM

Brian llon wrote:

Its been called "Climate Change" for a decade at least.


Because a decade ago the global warming scientists started to think that maybe the computer models weren't showing a global warming. That was the famous "pause" in global warming.

Then some sick propagandist got the idea that by calling their movement "Climate Change", they could then attack any critics with the silly charge that "They don't believe the Earth's climate is changing, what unscientific rubes our critics are!".

But of course the Earth's climate is always changing, it's been warming and cooling for 4.5 billion years.

As the Paris Climate Change accords showed, the purpose of climate change global activism is to punish the Western democracies for their advanced technologies and dominant economic productivity. The Paris Accords stated that those primary punished would be democracies like the United States, that we would pay redistributionist checks to backwards socialist third-world hellholes (as our punishment for not being backwards socialist hellholes). And to top it off, the world's worst Carbon Footprint polluters such as India and China got a total pass. No wonder everyone else signed up to stick it to the US!

If Brian IIon chooses to be stupid, that is your right. But you have no right to demand that the rest of us don't see what is plain before our eyes, that this is a Marxist wealth redistribution system and not a scientific consensus. For one hundred straight years, 20th century Communists demanded that capitalism be ended out of fairness and worker equity. Now the same people call it "climate change", yet still demand that capitalism be ended to save the polar bears.

Lie to yourself if you want, Brian IIon. You can't fool us that you are a liar and always have been, 10 years out, 30 years out, 50 years out, no matter what name you pick. It's the same old Communists selling us a bill of fake goods:

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06/04/17 6:23 AM

That was the famous "pause" in global warming.

Oh dear.
the alleged "pause" exists only if you start your data series just before the 1998 El Ninho - which pushed global temperatures up, after the El Ninho the temperatures fell  but they were STILL higher than the pre El Ninho temps  just not as high as the El Ninho temps.

If you either use a longer data set or smooth out the 1998-9 anomally there is no pause in warming.

Did you notice the title of the 1975 paper I referred to? here it is again

"Climatic Change: Are We on the Brink of a Pronounced Global Warming?"



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06/04/17 8:17 AM

Brian Ilon wrote:
That was the famous "pause" in global warming.

Oh dear.
the alleged "pause" exists only if you start your data series just before the 1998 El Ninho - which pushed global temperatures up, after the El Ninho the temperatures fell  but they were STILL higher than the pre El Ninho temps  just not as high as the El Ninho temps.

If you either use a longer data set or smooth out the 1998-9 anomally there is no pause in warming.

Did you notice the title of the 1975 paper I referred to? here it is again

"Climatic Change: Are We on the Brink of a Pronounced Global Warming?"



Everyone knows they tried to call it "climate change" instead of "global warming", because that's what you do when you are running a scam and you know you are attempting to deceive people. It covers their bases....They realized that their models were probably wrong, as we all know they were from the Michael Mann exposure. SO...to give themselves plausible deniability they tried to call it "climate change" because "climate change" could mean anything....It could be warming. It could be cooling. It could be caused by solar cycles. It could be caused by volcanic events. It could be caused by nuclear war.....

Ya got all yer bases covered with the term "climate change" because then, you're never wrong...

How much more obvious does it have to get?

Well, thankfully, we now have a president who recognizes a scam when he sees one. It's one of the most refreshing turn of the tables we've ever witnessed from a president...He just slapped the globalists and their plans for funding a world government upside the head, and hard....This ALONE would be worth electing Trump for...






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06/04/17 8:26 AM

Well, that commentary doesn't work, given the subject matter of global warming being the scam, on account of.....The current president recognizes that it's a scam and is no longer going to let the American people pay for it. That's what we're talking about, right? 






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06/04/17 8:49 AM

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"The Current President Recognizes It's A Scam"

And dat is dat.

Take it from the sources where that beaut was formed.

You must live in a world where nothing is real, Dumas.....Current events don't matter to you? Trump didn't just pull out of the Paris accords climate scam?






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06/04/17 9:06 AM

Not really....We've got Trump's entire base, known as the majority of all voters who elected the man so he'd do stuff like this....We can't thank him enough for this. The US taxpayer is no longer going to fund the global government and their global warming scams. Get used to it. 






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06/04/17 9:08 AM

We are the majority. We own all three branches of the US government and both houses of Congress. We are the world. We are the children. Donald Trump has just represented our wishes. 






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06/04/17 9:24 AM

Brian Ilon wrote:
That was the famous "pause" in global warming.

Oh dear.
the alleged "pause" exists only if you start your data series just before the 1998 El Ninho - which pushed global temperatures up, after the El Ninho the temperatures fell  but they were STILL higher than the pre El Ninho temps  just not as high as the El Ninho temps.

If you either use a longer data set or smooth out the 1998-9 anomally there is no pause in warming.

Did you notice the title of the 1975 paper I referred to? here it is again

"Climatic Change: Are We on the Brink of a Pronounced Global Warming?"


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06/04/17 9:33 AM

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Yoda,

The Dumpster and you are pretty much alone in this against the world....except, of course, the few currently deprived tag alongs you have around here.

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06/04/17 10:47 AM

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Those who devised this and other climate protection treaties refuse to tell the truth. The truth is people in some parts of the world are breeding too many children, creating excess populations their families cannot afford to feed, in lands where there is no work for their young people. Somalia, for instance. Nigeria for another.

Excellent post Morticia. And they are letting our country be invaded and we will soon be live those other nations. Here in Kalifornia, they have HUGE traffic jams on a daily basis because of severe overcrowding. Huge pollution and water shortage because of overpopulation. Is this what Kansas will look like in 20 years if we don't put the lid on immigration, both legaland illegal.

It appears my words fall on deaf ears of corn, to what we are bringing out grand children's  world by today's actions.

We should be reducing our population naturally as it would happen without any new invaders to this land. But, we are being stupid as a country, and our grandchildren will pay for it. The lot is full and we are now parking in the streets.


Hi Not2,  that is what I liked how stupid people really are.  A little less 20 to 50 years most Americans agreed with the idea of limiting the size of a family.  How many families do you know that are greater than three children?  Europe did the same thing as has China attempted but by law.

Now our lawmakers demand import of the population because they keep insisting we don't have enough people to do all the work necessary.  Which in my opinion is a bunch of BS. 

Hundreds of years ago the population was a lot less and somehow the human race survived even without importing new individuals.

 

 

 

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The Obama Doctrine, “Destroy Civilization”. 

Obama is making the world safe for a workers paradise under Sharia law…

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06/04/17 12:30 PM

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Yoda,

You are not even in the majority of the electorate.

Perhaps in the conspiracy laden ignorant here, you are.

Against the world and Science, you own nothing.

Actually I am in the majority.....Again, my party, owns the Senate, The House, The Judicial Branch, and the Presidency. I am in the majority party. We also own talk radio, and we're destroying the fake news 4th estate.

If you notice, my views are prevailing because they are the majority views, being represented by the president who was elected by a majority of voters.






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